Just getting started on matching up the wonderful work of Peel Wiki with what I've taped and digitised over the years. My 26.12.02 seems to have the edge on yours (four minidisc off-airs) and 25.12.03 might be too. But I'm not entirely sure how to chip in. Very happy to send on Wetransfers to a designated email if you would like to message me privately.
Hi Stuart! Mainly 1994-2000 and a stash from 1982, but it will take a lot of unpicking. I'm also a frequent visitor to BBC Written Archives Centre if useful? You've absorbed some of my recordings in the past - Soundcloud (20.10.98) - so will crack on and be in touch. Thanks for link.
Many thanks for making yourself known here and for your kind offer on the tapes.
On another track altogether, if you're a "frequent visitor to BBC Written Archives Centre", that could be fantastically useful to us here at the Peel wiki in terms of accessing Peel PASB scrips for full playlists of shows we don't have any audio from, and no other record of apart from than in Ken Garner's sessions book, particularly from the Top Gear period through to around 1977.
You can get an idea of where we're currently lacking show pages by checking the Calendar year pages (1974, for example, is a bit of a desert for audio). My understanding is that Peel (and other R1) PASB scripts are available on microfiche at the BBC Written Archives Centre. Simplest plan (for us) might be for you to take digitial (phone) pix of PASBs for missing shows and post these somewhere on the wiki (or elsewhere), and other people could then create new wiki show pages with the new info.
Realize this might be a big ask, but would be hugely appreciated. I might have made the process sound simple, but apparently going through the microfiche is a bit of a clunky and might take some time to get used to.
Obviously, given the current situation in the UK (and elsewhere), might be some time before you have a chance to do anything on this, but I'm sure we'll still be here once things start opening up again.
That's no problem at all - I've been going to WAC for about 17 years and know the PasB system inside out, plus the machines they bought last year are way better than the previous model.
I tend to take photos in the way you describe but you can also screenshot and email home as pdf. Either way the resolution is good. I can factor in a few PasB reels to each of my trips.
I'd just caution one thing, which is World Service. Many years ago I did a book for Kaleidoscope about Radio 4's Week Ending: that was 28 years of PasBs, plus over 100 World Service compilations. The WS PasBs exist but they are an utter nightmare to even find, as the reels are so bizarrely structured. I don't know if there are substantial gaps in knowledge on Peel WS shows - perhaps you can verify? Has anyone done a trawl of the London Calling listings magazine, for example? The British Library has a spotty collection.
But Genome doesn't always carry World Service listings, because the data was poorly scanned or Radio Times just didn't list WS (they did this periodically, which is a nuisance). My question was really if you had a definitive tx history for Peel on WS - particularly early on - or if there was still work to do. But it sounds like you're fine for it.
Thanks. So some work needs to be done on transmissions, especially pre-1981. Righto. I think I have private access to a scanned set of London Calling (sadly British Library is shut down at the moment) so would you want a full tx pattern for the first few years, to at least get the skeleton pages sorted?
I've uploaded a few files this morning - the minidisc of 26.12.02 and a longer version (?) of 18.7.02, although the latter doesn't seem to be displaying in my folder. Let me know if I need to re-up.
I think sometimes it can take 24 hours for files to appear in your folder on the Mooo database. I don't think there should be any problems in creating skeleton pages, but of course as with everything, there will be a big time lag in filling up tracks on the pages, as we don't know when the British Library or the BBC Written Archives will be open. I can safely say it won't be very soon !!
Yes, all jobs for the future - perhaps far flung! Plenty to get on with in the meantime.
This morning I've pulled out a stack of Nov 82-Jan 83 shows I was sold about 20 years ago. Have never got round to digitising them - they're generally an hour or less, but they might plug the odd gap. Will also share on 90s/00s shows as and when. Thanks to you all for guiding me through the process.
The "upload.html" way of uploading depends on the server owner noticing new files and moving them manually. The ftp method is immediate. I just have a Windows folder on my desktop with the user and password in its properties and it's then a drag and drop.
That's not surprising. It came to me in disc trading days, probably around 2005. I don't know who made it originally. I wasn't sure from the page whether it was in the torrent or some other collection. Anyway, there it is!
Yes it wasn't fully documented on the wiki on the 18th July 2002 page. I've corrected that now with your upload!
I don't know if you've seen the List Of Shows spreadsheet that is linked to from each of the Calendar pages on the wiki, that shows at a glance where there are gaps in the collection. I would prioritise any shows that you have that fill in the gaps (either new shows, or additions to partial shows, or continuous sections of shows only available as edited mixtapes) and then after that any significant audio quality improvements. Sometimes a wiki page will state that a show is no longer available, but generally if it was once available, then somebody here will have it and can re-up it on request.
I've added a lot of bits and pieces to my folder today, largely from 2001-4: a mixture of upgrades and hopefully new-to-you items. I hope the accompanying messages are visible to you? They generally explain background for each.
The next wave will be 1982/83 bits and bobs, once I've had a chance to tidy them up. I'm dubbing the last tape now.
Ah, when I said "29.12.82 transferring now" I was referring to the tape being digitised. I'll upload the file once I've tidied the .wav up. Sorry for confusion.
Re messages - on the upload page I'm invited to write a note when I add a file to the /iang1978 folder. Does that text show up in an alert email somewhere at your end? They're fairly detailed notes, so I hope so. Failing that I'll write a post for the Groups.io.
Dear Stuart, I'm a French music reporter and I'm writing a story on the Joy Division's "Atmosphere/Dead Souls" single for its 40th anniversary. I've been reading your fantastic wiki for informations about the nights Peel played these tracks and I have a question for you: I would like to know what Peel said on May 20th 1980 to introduce "Atmosphere" and the wiki page for this show says: "File to be created from JLP080 - upload forthcoming". Do you know how I can contact JLP080 to have informations about that show? Best, Jean-Marie
The File JLP080 on the 20 May 1980 page only had selected songs. If you look at that page, you would notice the @ sign next to the songs. Those were only on that file. The Joy Division song was not on the file.
I notice that you have been creating new pages for Soundcloud mixtapes which are no longer available. Since you have been able to document them, is there any possibility that you have them and could make them available again? Many thanks
Was just awaiting the first request! Done. Little new content, about 4 minutes on each, and often poor quality. 4 other tapes I downloaded at the time had no new content and of poorer quality so did not document (other than on my sandbox page)
I've noticed the 18 December 2003 (Radio Eins) show was removed from the Radio Eins page. On the Radio Eins tracklisting zip, it's mentioned as a show with tracklistings. Was it not valid as an official show on the Radio Eins wiki page?
I had a look at the history of the Radio Eins wiki page around 2009/2010 and could not see that date (18th Dec 2003) being on it. The wiki page for 18th December contained the details of the preceding documentary (and link to audio) and that page was created in 2009. But the Radio Eins page at the time did not include it, probably because none of the "tracklistings only" dates were wikified at that time.
Now that we are adding tracklistings, maybe a new page should be created for the preceding documentary?
I think I might know what might have been going on there, an edit conflict.
I think I was editing the page, but didn't save it for a while. As far as I can see you only added 27th November 2003 at 18:09 on the 12th. Then I must have saved my edit at 18:54 (as I was adding 2002 shows) and that did not have your edit on it. So it looks like I deliberately took out your edit, but I didn't, it just wasn't on my "editing" page when I saved it. Maybe the same happened with the December show?
That sounds plausible, because it may have also happened for the December show. I was wondering why it was removed, but after you explained it, I understand why. I think I will create the pages for the 2003 Radio Ein dates, but I let you add it on to the Radio Eins Show Dates And Numbers and the Radio Eins page, so that the incident doesn't happen again.
He mentions talking to a 15 year old girl. Not sure that's dodgy. If he had said something sexual about a 15 year old girl, then I would understand that's dodgy, but on the audio he hasn't said anything like that. I'm sure people have talked to a 15 year old (be that your own child, a nephew, niece, student if you work in schools, or a relative)
Many thanks for all your ongoing contributions to the site. Front page today, 20 Aug, shows a red link in the "On This Day" section, for the show in 1969. Looked at the template page and seems that you made the latest changes:
At least, it seems to work at the moment on my sandbox page, but was a bit erratic when I tried further adjustments, so I'm a bit wary of just banging it on all the year pages with spreadsheets.
Thought you might like to give it a shot on the List Of Shows page, which prompted my messing around, to see whether the code is easily transferable. My sandbox is pretty weird due to all kinds of exotic past code attempts messing around with other things, so would be good to make a first try on a single page.
Don't seem to be able to replicate your coding for other spreadsheet pages.
Problem, I think, is the mysterious (to me) second set of code, particularly the googlespreadsheet address ending in "pubhtml", which doesn't appear to be the spreadsheet page when I click on the link you give above the window on the wiki page (which ends "edit#gid=0").
Hope that seems clear. Basically, how did you get the "pubhtml" address?
PS What seems a bit weird is that the lack of connection between the "pubhtml" address you use in the second set of code with either the code used in the stuff above (with width and height variables) or the address you link above the window.
The verbatim text was the result of testing a fix suggested to me on the wikia help pages, and I have deleted it with no adverse effect on the wider spreadsheet in the page. That link did take me to a version of my spreadsheet. There is a degree of randomness to the long text string (key) in the URL, if I look in my history there are loads, but going to any of them leads me to the latest version of the spreadsheet. The ending /pubhtml takes me to a version of the spreadsheet with the tabs along the top. The other version, ending in #gid=0, takes me to a version with the tabs along the bottom, and if I am signed into Google, the end of the address changes to /edit#gid=0 and it becomes editable for me.
So, basically for other users, either the "published" version is visible, or the shared (but non-editable) version, depending on the url suffix. I think I must have published the spreadsheet at some point and then got the link from my Google Drive or Sheets page.
I've just tried the fix on the 1995 page and it does work. It's a very wide spreadsheet though so didn't know how wide to make it - set to to 1000px for now. I know that for most users that haven't mucked around with their own css settings that the wiki limits the available page width anyway
Many thanks! I've switched 1995 page spreadsheet back to 700px for standard page width.
All a very mysterious process, as didn't seem to work before when I tried to switch the existing code to 700px width, with no verbatim code addition. Will cross fingers and hope for the best on the other year pages.
Thank you for all your great work. Do the original Lee tapes have all of the talking/discussion between the songs, or do you edit that out. In particular, I'm looking for the full unedited broadcast of January 18, 1997 (Lee 323). If there is a link to the full version, I would greatly appreciate it.
No, these are the tapes as I received them, they had already been copied/edited from the full show, and the original tapes were then reused. There is a chance that there are some tapes at the end of the collection which are the unedited versions but I wouldn't hold out too much hope. Depending on how keen you are, and where you are located, you could request to listen to the show at the British Library in London.